Fan Comes on but Light Dont Work on Casablanca Intellitouch

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bbruck Junior Member 38 Posts	Posted - 04/09/2012 :  2:51:21 PM I have a Casablanca Inteli-Touch winnow that I want to use with an Insteon Fanlinc. I have disassembled the fan and can see the wires as shown on page 6 of the pledged wiring diagram. Attaching the Fanlinc wires to the white and black for the fan's light kit out is pretty straight forward, as is attaching the Fanlinc power wires. The three remaining wires are a undersize bit of mystery to Maine. The diagram (examine attached pdf) shows the following: Red --| | 60 Ohm Patrick White-| 120 Ohm | 60 Georg Simon Ohm Brown-| I'm guessing that I either need to select single of the red or brown and the dilute to attach to the Fanlinc (where the other one would make the sports fan going the reverse way) OR that these are used in combination with the triacs to springiness 3 of the six speed settings and that my only alternative is to pick the red OR the brown to attach to to teh Fanlinc in combination with the white. I'm hoping that someone with a smidgeon of electrical receive mightiness be willing to bet at this and contribute me a hint as to how to continue. (I'm besides assuming that no matter what I do, I'll fall behind the ability to ever so reverse the fan, but am willing to accept that toll to control it with Indigo.) Here's the image from the casablanca user manual: hypertext transfer protocol://WWW.perceptiveautomation.com/userforum/download/file.php?id=639 The text edition below the diagram says the following: The microcomputer sends commands to the light drive module, (LDM), which in bi controls the on/off and dimming range of the light fixture. Note: The microcomputer �reads� the comportment of the LDM away detecting the operation of a small light emitting diode within the optocoupler on the LDM. The microcomputer also controls the direction of the sports fan through a small reversing relay mounted on the RMM board. To restraint efferent speed, the microcomputer selects one of sise outputs, each of which turns on an natural philosophy switch known as a triac. These half dozen triacs are located on the RMM electric circuit plank. In high speed, a triac drives the motor directly. In all other speeds, a triac drives the motor through one or all five falling resistors contained within the BFR. This reduces mogul to the motor while maintaining a pure sine wave drive.
skydvrz Senior Penis United States 270 Posts	Posted - 04/10/2012 :  1:56:35 PM A Fanlinc is not really designed to work with "smart" fans. The accountant calling card in the fan is not straight mixable with the circuitry in the Fanlinc. Connecting the Fanlinc to the Casablanca without doing some severe modifications to the fan will non work. You *may* glucinium able to get the Fanlinc to work if you can successfully do a "brainectomy" happening the Casablanca winnow and connect the Fanlinc wires to the appropriate wires on the motor and it's light (for the most part on J2). Note that you need some superior technician/engineering skills to pull this off. As you notable, you will non be able to get along the thing to twisting in reverse, since this is handled in the Casablanca's controller. I am haunted that the dual windings on the motive whitethorn non be compatible with the Fanlinc - this may be a deal breaker for you. It whitethorn be cheaper (and a lot safer) to supersede the Casablanca with a "stupid" fan and hook your Fanlinc thereto instead. Incomparable regards, Kevin G. McCoy
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Autonow Intermediate Member USA 106 Posts	Posted - 06/24/2013 :  10:06:07 PM Time to revive this topic. I just attempted an install. What i institute.... The easy stuff maiden, it is possible to do forward and annul. Use a small on/off to power a ace pole double hold relay ( a form c contact) connect the red fan linc to the public and the motor (red and brown wires)to the opposite 2 terminals. The relay will substitution the power to the fan. i tested this and it works simply you need to let the fan touch on a stop first! ok happening to the fan linc.. I have mixed results. The fan seems to run at high and MEd cannonball along. But it volition not start on its personal.. Needs a push in one direction. at low speed the fan is off.. So what this is revealing me is something is up with the fanlinc Oregon the room the motor was wired, Like bbruck I used one pair to the motor (ie blood-red and white) I removed the inteli-speck. Any Ideas... I am reasoning there is some type of start condenser to bump the motor to take off that is not component of fanlinc. One would think power on the red and white motor leads should start and run the fan full speed. Unless fanlinc is not providing full voltage or a sine curl at max setting. Of course smarthome sales said it would work with some fan,
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USA 10 Posts	Posted - 07/09/2013 :  09:22:59 AM I'd jazz to beryllium able to control my Casablanca lover with Inteli-Touch, only I'm hesitant to install a fanlinc attributable the issues discussed here, and since it is new I would rather not void the warranty. So, couldn't IT be controlled like a shot with RF commands? Although I did search roughly and couldn't find some info connected the Releasing hormone codes. I realize this may not be a 2-way communication, simply better than nothing? - Jim
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USA 10 Posts	Posted - 07/10/2013 :  08:46:38 AM So I kick started this thread with my post downstairs, then again it got buried. Does anyone know if there is a way to interface the ISY to a RF transmitter to mail Inteli-Touch commands? quote: Originally posted by jimsearle I'd love to be able to control my Casablanca fan with Inteli-Touch, but I'm incertain to put in a fanlinc imputable the issues discussed here, and since it is refreshing I would rather non void the guarantee. So, couldn't information technology comprise controlled directly with RF commands? Although I did search around and couldn't find any information on the RF codes. I realize this may non be a 2-way communicating, but improved than nothing? - Jim
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Autonow Average Appendage USA 106 Posts	Posted - 07/10/2013 :  09:39:23 AM Jim are you in for the intelitouch uses RF to intercommunicate? With the amount of wires off the back of the switch it looks many like a signal over the AC wires. If it was sincerely RF there would be interference problems with more 1 fan in the house. It would require a DIP switch to set different frequency's like a garage doorway. I conceive the newer intelitouch may be much a gimmick "the w64" only I suspect they talk to the fence permutation and the fan electronics are the same as the older models Thus If someone were to produce a inseteon device to see to it the fan directly it would need to be like a 6 or 8 clit throw. Price would Be probably the same at $80 or indeed. With the fanlinc available I answer not understand a financial path for development. citation: Originally posted by jimsearle Sol I bang started this thread with my post downstairs, on the other hand it got belowground. Does anyone know if in that respect is a way to user interface the ISY to a RF transmitter to send Inteli-Bear on commands? quote: In the first place posted by jimsearle I'd have sex to be able to control my Casablanca fan with Inteli-Touch, but I'm hesitant to install a fanlinc due to the issues discussed here, and since it is unprecedented I would sooner not void the warrant. So, couldn't it be controlled directly with Rutherfordium commands? Although I did look around and couldn't find any info on the RF codes. I realize this Crataegus laevigata not be a 2-fashio communication, but better than cipher? - Jim
US 10 Posts	Posted - 07/10/2013 :  09:54:31 AM Autonow, I'm not electropositive active information technology using RF. The wall switch to fan is probably more or less sign finished the AC wires, but I am pretty sure the remote to fence switch is RF, although I can not find where I sawing machine that... There are dip switches in the remotes that must be changed if you birth four-fold fans. I guess I was hoping that an existing dual-band device could for some reason send the RF commands. - Jim quotation: Originally posted by Autonow Jim are you sure the intelitouch uses RF to communicate? With the come of wires disconnected the back of the switch information technology looks more like a signal over the AC wires. If it was unfeignedly RF there would be interference problems with more than 1 winnow in the house. It would require a dunk switch to set different frequency's like a service department door. I believe the newer intelitouch may Be much a device "the w64" but I suspect they mouth off to the wall switch and the fan electronics are the same as the older models So If someone were to develop a inseteon device to control the sports fan directly it would need to be the like a 6 or 8 button electrical switch. Terms would personify in all likelihood the same at $80 or so. With the fanlinc available I perform not project a business way of life for development. quote: To begin with posted by jimsearle So I kick started this draw with my post under, but and then it got inhumed. Does anyone love if there is a way to port the ISY to a Rutherfordium sender to send Inteli-Touch commands? quote: Originally posted aside jimsearle I'd love to be able to control my Casablanca rooter with Inteli-Touch, but I'm hesitant to set up a fanlinc receivable to the issues discussed here, and since it is newfangled I would rather non void the warranty. So, couldn't it be controlled directly with RF commands? Although I did hunting more or less and couldn't find whatsoever information on the RF codes. I realize this may not be a 2-fashio communication, but better than zip? - Jim
paceyben Sophisticated Member 413 Posts	Posted - 07/10/2013 :  11:44:26 AM quote: Originally posted by jimsearle So I kicking started this wind with my post below, just then it got belowground. Does anyone bang if there is a way to interface the ISY to a RF transmitter to send Inteli-Touch commands? There are as well many variations in RF frequencies and encodings and ceiling fans especially do non use casebook frequencies. Your only reasonably simple option is to open high a remote and solder or s wires between the buttons and an EZIO type controller.
Autonow Average Member USA 106 Posts	Posted - 07/26/2013 :  12:23:15 PM Well I have With success Made the insteon Fanlinc work with a casablanca fan!!!! Well now that I have the insensitive part finished.. Please help ME with the keypadlinc. I have the eight button keypadlinc. All the buttons work to control condition the winnow... My only trouble is the led on the clitoris is not quite an appropriate. Hither is how I have programed the scenes And please tell me if there is a better way! Button A and B visible radiation on and off (works as a dimmer) This seems to work OK Button C = fan off Button D= fan low Button E = buff med Button F = Fan High Button G = Fan fwd/rev This seems to work fine (button toggles fwd and rev ) Led on in fwd off in rev. I mightiness change this to two button control like the light. I made 3 scenes (that may be my problem) low, Master of Education and intoxicated.. In the HI scene I have fanlinc arranged to high and the high and dispatch button (the high button is set to toggle on and the off push is typeset to toggle murder) this works Okay. But I can non add the off button to the med and low scenes since it is a controller . If I make an polish off scene with the fanlinc off and the off button. This works too EXCEPT the other buttons remain on (moo Master of Education and high) How do I get them turned? (led off) If I make the low med and High buttons toggle on/off then pressing the button a second time will turn off the fan which is not what i want! I have tried devising the other buttons responders just that only successful thing worse. Im so perplexed.
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Autonow Median Penis USA 106 Posts	Posted - 07/26/2013 :  1:39:39 PM I have the 8 button model. Here is my problem. Buttons can either toggle on/off (one press on one press off) or toggle on or toggle switch off. In the last ii modes thither is no way to undo the "set" Ie you press it once it goes on press it again it stays on. The ISY does not give up changing the tell of the button only the stake light. Why is in that location not a momentary option. That is the most common mode for mechanisation. Mayhap at that place is I just don't know. IMO the toggle on should me a momentary ON,... and toggle OFF should be normally Connected with momentary remove. quote: Originally posted by Tfitzpatri8 In 6-button mode, the computer keyboard's Brobdingnagian Along and Off buttons control the keypad's scene 1. If you link buttons or devices to shot 1, some big buttons will insure them. If you want to control a different scene with the top and bottom buttons, you'd take to set the keypad to 8-button mode and cross-connec the two top and the two tush buttons. Then you could static use the 6-button frame. Edited by - Autonow on 07/26/2013 1:41:22 Autopsy
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stusviews Advanced Appendage USA 15854 Posts	Posted - 07/26/2013 :  6:24:22 PM quote: Originally posted by Autonow I have the 8 button model. Here is my problem. Buttons can either toggle on/off (incomparable weigh on one press off) or toggle on or toggle off. In the last two modes at that place is no way to undo the "set" Ie you press IT once IT goes on press it again it stays on. The ISY does non allow changing the state of the button only the back sick. Why is there not a momentary option. That is the to the highest degree common mode for automation. Maybe there is I just don't know. IMO the toggle on should ME a momentary ON,... and toggle Forth should be normally On with momentary off. Coiffe button C to Off-only, set buttons D, E, and F to On-lonesome. Scene Off Restrainer: button C Responders: FanLinc Off, buttons D, E, and F off Scene Low Restrainer: button D Responders: Fanlinc Broken, buttons E and F off. Scene Med Controller: push button E Responders: FanLinc Master of Education, buttons D and E off. Scene Screaky Controller: button F Responders: FanLinc Postgraduate, buttons D and E murder. Stu's Views is Education and Fun. What do YOU need to VIEW today? MathLandia High cultivate mathematics encyclopaedism playfulness. Both Stu's Views and MathLandia are free websites that do not trade anything. Saving energy is not always free. Be a world rescuer. Please wear't PM with questions that can be asked in a forum.
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